Customers Who Talk Dirty & Even Stalk Me!

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dianne, my appologies to you.

I was Monday morning quaterbacking.

Sometimes being in a perpetual foul mood has its advantages.

Lately, that has been more the rule rather than exception.

Joe
 
Hey Di,

Another late night but took a few to unwind before home .

Guy comes in today and sees the new designer, who quite honestly could have chosen a better wardrobe. Spends over 100, but gets a bit frisky in conversation.

I get the call as I'm planting the back field with cuc's and peppers.

Long story short, the guy, after I get to the shop, gives me a psychological breakdown of why he acted the way he did !
He noted that if the girl that had the objection , & had a problem with attention, then she should dress more conservatively .
Gotta agree, though his methods didn't cut it with us.
She's been cautioned about appropriate attire,,,, and he will not be back any time soon.
We parted in pretty good shape !

Did you give any thought to tightening up security ?
I'll take ya step by step through it if you need the added help.
Cost is not that bad, and well worth it
 
Did you give any thought to tightening up security ?
I'll take ya step by step through it if you need the added help.
Cost is not that bad, and well worth it

I think Dianne "handled" the situation quite well, BUT, is EXTREMELY perplexed as to WHY in the world this kinda stuff STILL happens...extreme rudeness calls for extreme measures.
If it were ME, I woulda "slugged" the dumbarse, and apoligized, that I "missed" the big bug on his shoulder!!
 
You're a better man than me Mikey. I would have, and have, reacted badly !
I'm well known for being quite reactionary.

The women that work here work under my protection,,,,,,,,,always,,,,,,,,and it's tested all too often,,,,,,,,,,,enjoy the fact that I will protect them, no matter what, and I do, and have been tested !

Disrespect to women does not get off the ground floor with me,,,,ever !


 
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dianne, my appologies to you.

I was Monday morning quaterbacking.

Sometimes being in a perpetual foul mood has its advantages.

Lately, that has been more the rule rather than exception.

Joe

Joe,

Absolutely no reason to apologize. I hope you did not misinterpret my comment about your post. Actually, I found your post to be a beacon of light in the darkness. Cooling that guy off with water would have been priceless!
 
The listened to voice of reason ------------->>>>>Joe Mioux !
 
Hey Di,

Another late night but took a few to unwind before home .

Guy comes in today and sees the new designer, who quite honestly could have chosen a better wardrobe. Spends over 100, but gets a bit frisky in conversation.

I get the call as I'm planting the back field with cuc's and peppers.

Long story short, the guy, after I get to the shop, gives me a psychological breakdown of why he acted the way he did !
He noted that if the girl that had the objection , & had a problem with attention, then she should dress more conservatively .
Gotta agree, though his methods didn't cut it with us.
She's been cautioned about appropriate attire,,,, and he will not be back any time soon.
We parted in pretty good shape !

Did you give any thought to tightening up security ?
I'll take ya step by step through it if you need the added help.
Cost is not that bad, and well worth it

Kev,

I do not dress provocatively at the shop and we have a dress code. You should enforce one immediately. You want to portray an image of professionalism at all times.

I will call you about installing security in the shop. I would feel more at ease in light of all that has been going on. Doubt I have the capability of installing myself, but I would be interested in which devices are the best to purchase. I can always have one of my Rotary bros install.

Thanks for checking in. You always take good care of me!
 
I think Dianne "handled" the situation quite well, BUT, is EXTREMELY perplexed as to WHY in the world this kinda stuff STILL happens...extreme rudeness calls for extreme measures.
If it were ME, I woulda "slugged" the dumbarse, and apoligized, that I "missed" the big bug on his shoulder!!

Mikey,
And that would be a man's way to handle the situation. Hey...instead of installing security devices, maybe I should just hire a few rough and tough bouncers! Seriously, we have all women at the shop, with the exception of an older gentleman who is a driver. He's never there anyway, and I don't picture him slugging customers. The time has come to tighten up security and make sure my staff and I are safe at all times.
 
NavyBrat,

I appreciate your taking time to respond to my replies. I understand your points. I have only one more thing for you to think about.

Regarding the question of which one, Mitchell guy (Let's call him "Mr Pervert") and Mr stalker, is more dangerous... I wrote that Mr pervert is more dangerous than Mr stalker; you feel opposite.

First of all, I obviously don't know these guys and you are the only one who can judge. With that said, as a Y-chromosome myself, I can say a few things about a guy's psychology in general.

Let me just start by saying that I've done exact same thing as Mr Stalker. Well, not exactly the same, but similar. Loooong time ago when I was 20's.

As a former "stalker" myself, I can tell you that, in general, when we are chasing a girl, we have absolutely no idea about how our own behavior is being seen by the girl. Our brain is not wired to read the mind, so to speak.

What this means is that, until I was told that the girl had zero interest in me, I had thought I had a chance. I'm not going to tell you how she told me she didn't like me, because it still breaks my heart.:purpletea It was very CLEAR, I can tell you that, so even a man can understand.

So I believe that My Stalker has no idea how you are feeling. It doesn't make him dangerous; it does make him difficult to get rid of, unless you tell him, in no uncertain terms, that he has no chance.

The only thing here is I suppose My Stalker isn't in early 20's, so he is supposed to have learned multiple lessons like the one I just said. But again, I do know that even in 40's 50's 60's, some guys still stalk a woman and have no idea what the women might be feeling.

As to Mr Pervert, as a guy, I have no idea what this guy is thinking. That makes me nervous. That kind of talk, I must confess, guys do all the time among guys. We sort of enjoy all those rear-end "jokes."

However, we would be nuts if we tell that to a woman in a flower shop. I swear I have never done that. Most guys don't do that unless they are drunk or, in a weird way, trying to look macho in front of other women.

I think he is sick, which is the reason I feel he is more dangerous.

Finally, you might be interested in the story after she told me I had no chance. Well, I got drunk for about a few days and at the 4th day, I started chasing 2nd candidate.:rolleyes: No problem. Quick recovery.

Anyway, 15 years later, we met again by chance. I asked her what she did with all those letters I had written to her (I wrote over 50 love letters everyday). She told me that she had kept them for 12 years (10 years after marrying a guy) and then one day, decided to burn them all. She told me that they all became ashes. Never understand female psychology at all till this day.
 
Navy I have had no experience in stalking area of life and in the dirty talk area I usually just blow it off with a laugh and call for my Dad! I have never been talked to that dirty though and I would find it highly uncomfortable and very embrassing!
I am sorry I can not give you any knowledge or help in this area but do NOT be afraid! Its creepy and disgusting and men are quite wicked but NEVER be frighten....it only makes your heart and your mind weaker!
Take up some karate lessons or boxing....if you feel the need too...funnily enough it makes your very strong in yourself and physically as well.
I know thats not the best advice given here...but its my only advice.
Keep well...keep smiling and be strong...they will BOTH go away in time!
 
Dressing provocotively does NOT give anyone license to verbally or physically attack anyone... period.

This individual I'm willing to bet, isn't just talking to Dianne this way. I'm sure he has a history of bad behaviour... and obviously the way she dresses had nothing to do with how he spoke to her.

I will never understand why it ultimately becomes the woman's "fault" (in the perpetrators and often others minds). It's never really about sex, it's about power over the victim with words or deeds. That's why children and the elderly are prey as well... not because they are dressing in a sexy way.

Dianne, I'm glad you're taking the appropriate steps to protect yourself. One thing is certain, Mitchell or whatever his name is would not be allowed to darken the doorway of my shop ever again. I wonder if his wife is aware of what he does.

V
 
I had a employee in my other store who dressed a little too open if you know what I mean. Anyway there was a guy that would come on a regular basis to walk around the store.
Eventually one day he grabbed her "rump" and I got him evicted from the mall for 2 years.

I tired many time to have the conversation of her dressing the way she was and the possible consequence. I had to tell her after "I told you so".

SHe was worse than a plumber with the butt crack! In fact some of the pants these days worn by girls are really to short by the hip. I have seen so many but cracks, it cracks me up!.

By the way, I wanted to know, did the roses match anything else?????

I always thought red head are firery people! SHow him your true colors....
Luc
 
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Dianne,

I am glad that you have so many avenues of heightend protection and people to consult and call on...I am also glad that you have the insight of how these people can and do become dangerous from your work with battered woman....It can happen in an instance, either of these men can be dangerouse, both are exhipting strange and bizarre behavior and you should be very aware...Generally, I would say that you handled yourself very well with ahole Mitchell, to turn a deaf ear would have given him the power he wants, it would have made you seem oblivious or weak and just welcomed him to verbally abuse you again...He is probably not a danger and will move on to verbally harrass women who like those kinds of compliments or other women who are not taht good at letting him know he sux.

The other guy is weird...I would ventur eto say he would be the one I would worry about...These are usually the guys that get really really angry when they are rezjected once again in their really weird little world...Be very careful and as soon as it goes over the legal line deal with it...unfortunately in our legal system it is awful close to out of control fear stage, but you seem to have a good handle on it...never ever be in your shop alone with this all going on with the doors unlocked not day, not night...

I do hope this goes away without any problems...I am concerned for you..

I have been talked to, stalked and inappropriately touched within shops before and it never ended well. I get very violent when I feel violated in any way verbally, emotionally or physically. Something in my head snaps and I become a crazy scary person...I get my point across and have scared most of my would be attacker off very quickly, but it is not very professional. People react how they will react in those moments no matter how well you think you will it all comes down to instinct...My instinct becomes protect myself at all costs...I have threatened lives in those situations and swear to God I would act upon it if need be...

I guess I get that from my Dad's side of the family. My Grandmother threw a guy trough a plate glass window for insulting her in her Bar....way back in the day, when it was really, really wrong to say anything of a sexual nature to a woman in public....

As for dressing approprately, not that it gives anybody the right to attack you in any way. It just relays a message of trashiness that in some minds means you welcome a certain amount of dirty talk. I believe that some people get this idea from porn that women like to be treated like this when they should realize that everything they see in a porn should actually be deemed fiction because none of it is real.....
 
Dianne,

As for dressing approprately, not that it gives anybody the right to attack you in any way. It just relays a message of trashiness

I'm a big believer in preventing problems before they happen...have a dress code (or a uniform shirt) and enforce it. It won't stop every pervert but it will filter out some of the random comments.

I don't think many young people understand the difference in clothing appropriate for work and clothing for clubbing or hanging out. Their clothing plays a big part in the image for your shop and you should manage that image. (And, at a young 46, I've never understood the exposed belly and the extreme lowrider thing thing. Don't they get cold? I also don't get thongs...looks like wedgie city to me, but that's for another thread.)

Mary
 
I'm curious... Dianne was not dressed in an "inappropriate" manner, and yet she was still accosted.

V
 
I'm curious... Dianne was not dressed in an "inappropriate" manner, and yet she was still accosted.

V



Not saying that dressing appropriatly will avoid it but it definately doesn't make you into an easy target...Being accosted can happen to anyone anywhere dressed or naked, friendly or unfriendly, freaks can and will be freaks whenever the need arises for whatever reason...

I too believe that a person should be able to walk down the street naked, but it is unfortunate that this sometimes brings unwanted attention when lady parts are popping out, hanging out or otherwise uncovered...I also think that when someone, anyone says no, in no uncertain terms, that whatever attention resulted in that no should stop immediately...regardless of what one thinks might really be meant by the no...better to be safe and not hurt someone's feelings than be sorry when they say sexual abuse....
 
It's odd really... a man's "bits" can be hanging out all over the place, but that doesn't really cause a ripple... a woman, well that's a different story all together.

I know I know... it's just the way it is.

At anyrate, I'm still glad Dianne has such a great support system... it's what counts.

V
 
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Being the son of a cop, I have some advice for you ladies.....and gentlemen as well should something unsettling ever occur to you as well.

First of al, without going into a lot of back-history, My Dad worked as the adminstrater of our correctional facility......I would catch a school bus ride to his work most of the time and I got to know the inmates quite well......as dad most always had a trustee keep me company while he did his job. Needless to say, I learned many things from those guys that I probably should not have learned.

First of all......It does not matter if you are at your shop, home, shopping at the mall, or wherever you find yourself. Look around and put yourself in the mindset of an attacker. Look for the best places to hide, cower, stalk, position yourself to attack another.......Learn to think like that and it becomes second nature.

Let's say you are walking to your car after dark and a long day at the shop....Out of the corner of your eye, you think you see a shadow....but are not sure. Next thing you know....BAM!!! You've been hit, your purse stolen, and you are hurt.

Once you train yourself to think like them, That shadow you think you see...You now know that is someone in hiding because that is where you would be if you were doing the attacking.

In the shop.......You have the right to do anything you need to do to defuse an unsettling situation.....including telling the customer to get the HECK out of your shop, report him to the police, and issue restraining orders and whatever else legal action you desire.

The one thing to check with your police on is how much physical force you or your employee can use in a public business.

Not only is it wise, but it can help to lower your insurance premiums if you and your employees take some self-defense classes.

Lastly, arm your shop with an alarm system including a silent emergency alarm that will summon the police automatically. ANY security/ alarm company dealer/system can do this.....if they tell you it can't......THAT is Baloney.
 
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It's odd really... a man's "bits" can be hanging out all over the place, but that doesn't really cause a ripple... a woman, well that's a different story all together.

I know I know... it's just the way it is.

At anyrate, I'm still glad Dianne has such a great support system... it's what counts.

V

V, when and where are you seeing "man bits". I'm missing out! LOL
 
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