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I love the idea but hate the idea of anything permanent so cheat and have henna ones every summer. If my staff had them that would be OK as long as they were discreet and cover-able up.

However have to say TJN I'm beginning to wonder if you are on a death wish or something. I have no idea who you are (despite you using your real details) but you do seem to be a very angry person.
JMO

Carrie
 
Wow, you guys really tee'd yourselves up for this one. You think you loathe me now? Wait till you hear my take on tattoos.

Fads come and fads go. Duck tails, greasers, long sideburns, long hair, bell bottoms, platform shoes, shoes with no laces, pants falling off, short shorts, long shorts, shaved head, flower children and on and on.

These things all have one thing in common: When they're no longer cool, hip, in vogue, in style, rebellious, neat or acceptable, you can stop.

When the tattoo fad peters out, as it certainly will, they all do, how many people will regret their tattoos? How many regret them now but won't admit it? If the TRUTH could be known I'll wager serious money, A LOT. Most. You're always going to have the fringe, anti-social wack jobs. They'll always like their tattoos.

Somewhere, as we speak, people are developing machines and procedures to remove tattoos. The fools will spend more money to have them removed than it cost to have the crap put on. Once again some people will become wealthy on the ignorance of the masses.

That tattoos have become so prolific, so mainstream, blows my mind. That some people tattoo themselves so extensively, blows my mind. Altering your appearance so permanently and extensively is absurd.

I think the thing that bothers me the most about tattoos is the "sheep" aspect of it. The "followers". People see celebrities, sports figures and other public degenerates getting tattoos and they automatically think it's THE THING TO DO.

The ones that aren't necessarily sheep are the "HEY LOOK AT ME!!!" folks. Then when you look at them they're the WHAT THE F--- ARE YOU LOOK'IN AT? folks.

Then you have people like this:


What?

I can't imagine any symbol, saying, design or image being something that I want to see every day for the rest of my life. Especially in the mirror

I think any permanent tattoo is a gross lapse in judgment and one of the stupidest things I've ever seen people do to themselves. The fact that these people think this FAD will NEVER END makes me laugh.

If one of my kids came home with tattoos, piercing, gauged ears etc. I'd smack them till they couldn't stand up.

Could you please explain why it is absurd to change ones appearance?

Do you spew forth this mindless tirade every time you see someone with their ears peirced? If your wife peirced her ears would you beat her like you would the kids? It is very sad that you wish to have so much control over your children that you would beat them just for expressing themselves, I really think you should tell your therapist about this. Even if you would never hit your kids for such a trite reason and it's just tough talk, it is very worrying that you have these fantasies.

All the other fads you mentioned were around for less than a decade, tattoos and piercings have been around virtually since man first learned how to use tools - I think for your own sanity you need to get used it.

I have had a ring in my nose for 17 years (way before there was any "fad", a tattoo for 14. I haven't regretted either yet, but I guess there is still time. The point is it is my body and my decision. I respect anyone's choice to do what they want to their own body - or do nothing to it as they see fit. I see plenty of tattoos on other people that I don't like - but I would never point this out to the wearers, it is absolutely none of my business and it is a choice one can only make for oneself.
 
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.....none here.
nah, ...a pic of Charlie Manson.

Right - it sez Charlie Don't Surf right below it.

Not

p.s. I bet Bloomz has a flower somewhere on his body or a Grateful dead skeleton.

Not - never found anything I wanted to live with forever.

I've lived quite a few different lives.:headbang:

Funny thing about my life - each year I look back and see how full of sh*t I was last year.

Next year will be the same.

I'm quite OK with that.
 
If one of my kids came home with tattoos, piercing, gauged ears etc. I'd smack them till they couldn't stand up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't kids have to be 18 before they can do any of the above without your consent? I think that's how it works. So you'll be smacking kids who are over 18? A) I'm worried about your kids now, and B) I think that's assault. I hope you're just exaggerating.

One of my three 18 year olds has a tattoo, and another is working toward gauged ears. So far the gauging is small. I HATE it, and I advice AGAINST it, but he's an "adult". I have no say about what he does to his body. And no, I won't be smacking them either.
 


If one of my kids came home with tattoos, piercing, gauged ears etc. I'd smack them till they couldn't stand up.


And that would help how?
 
And by the way, tattooing is hardly a flash in the pan or a fad.

V

a brief history of tattoos




the word tattoo is said to has two major derivations- from
the polynesian word ‘ta’ which means striking something
and the tahitian word ‘tatau’ which means ‘to mark something’.

the history of tattoo began over 5000 years ago and is as
diverse as the people who wear them.

tattoos are created by inserting colored materials beneath
the skins surface. the first tattoos probably were created
by accident. someone had a small wound, and rubbed it
with a hand that was dirty with soot and ashes from the fire.
once the wound had healed, they saw that a mark stayed
permanently.

despite the social sciences' growing fascination with tattooing,
and the immense popularity of tattoos themselves,
the practice has not left much of a historical record.

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bronze age
in 1991, a five thousand year old tattooed man ‘ötzi the ice man’
made the headlines of newspapers all over the world when
his frozen body was discovered on a mountain between
austria and italy.
this is the best preserved corpse of that period ever found.
the skin bears 57 tattoos: a cross on the inside of the left knee,
six straight lines 15 centimeters long above the kidneys and
numerous parallel lines on the ankles.
the position of the tattoo marks suggests that they were probably
applied for therapeutic reasons (treatment of arthritis).

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pazyryk culture
in 1948, 120 miles north of the border between russia and
china, russian archeologist sergei rudenko began excavating
a group of tombs, or kurgans, in the high altai mountains of
western and southern siberia. mummies were found that date
from around 2400 years ago.
the tattoos on their bodies represent a variety of animals.
the griffins and monsters are thought to have a magical
significance but some elements are believed to be purely
decorative. altogether the tattoos are believed to reflect the
status of the individual.

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egypt
written records, physical remains, and works of art relevant to
egyptian tattoo have virtually been ignored by earlier egyptologists
influenced by prevailing social attitudes toward the medium.
today however, we know that there have been bodies recovered
dating to as early XI dynasty exhibiting the art form of tattoo.
in 1891, archaeologists discovered the mummified remains
of amunet, a priestess of the goddess hathor, at thebes who
lived some time between 2160 BC and 1994 BC.
this female mummy displayed several lines and dots tattooed
about her body - grouping dots and/or dashes were aligned into
abstract geometric patterns. this art form was restricted
to women only, and usually these women were associated
with ritualistic practice.
the egyptians spread the practice of tattooing throughout the world.
the pyramid-building third and fourth dynasties of egypt
developed international nations with crete, greece, persia,
and arabia. by 2,000 BC the art of tattooing had stretched out all the
way to southeast asia .
the ainu (western asian nomads) then brought it with them
as they moved to japan.

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japan
the earliest evidence of tattooing in japan is found in the form
of clay figurines which have faces painted or engraved to
represent tattoo marks. the oldest figurines of this kind have
been recovered from tombs dated 3,000 BC or older, and many
other such figurines have been found in tombs dating from the
second and third millennia BC.
these figurines served as stand-ins for living individuals who
symbolically accompanied the dead on their journey into the
unknown, and it is believed that the tattoo marks had religious
or magical significance.
the first written record of japanese tattooing is found in a
chinese dynastic history compiled in 297 AD.
the japanese were interested in the art mostly for its decorative
attributes, as opposed to magical ones. the horis - the japanese
tattoo artists - were the undisputed masters. their use of colors,
perspective, and imaginative designs gave the practice a whole
new angle. the classic japanese tattoo, is a full body suit.

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china
from southern china the practice spread along the silk route.

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polynesia
in pacific cultures tattooing has a huge historic significance.
polynesian tattooing is considered the most intricate and
skillful tattooing of the ancient world.
polynesian peoples, believe that a person's mana, their spiritual
power or life force, is displayed through their tattoo.
the vast majority of what we know today about these ancient
arts has been passed down through legends, songs, and ritual
ceremonies. elaborate geometrical designs which were often
added to, renewed, and embellished throughout the life of the
individual until they covered the entire body.

in samoa, the tradition of applying tattoo, or ‘tatau’, by hand,
has long been defined by rank and title, with chiefs and their
assistants, descending from notable families in the proper birth order.
the tattooing ceremonies for young chiefs, typically conducted at
the onset of puberty, were elaborate affairs and were a key part
of their ascendance to a leadership role.
the permanent marks left by the tattoo artists would forever
celebrate their endurance and dedication to cultural traditions.
the first europeans who set foot on samoan soil were members
of a 1787 french expedition. they got a closer look at the natives
and reported that ‘the men have their thighs painted or tattooed
in such a way that one would think them clothed,
although they are almost naked’. the mythological origins of
samoan tattooing and the extraordinary cross-cultural history
of tatau has been transported to the migrant communities of
new zealand, and later disseminated into various international
subcultures from auckland to the netherlands.

the hawaiian people had their traditional tattoo art,
known as ‘kakau’. it served them not only for ornamentation
and distinction, but to guard their health and spiritual well-being.
intricate patterns, mimicking woven reeds or other natural forms,
graced men's arms, legs, torso and face.
women were generally tattooed on the hand, fingers, wrists
and sometimes on their tongue.

the arrival of western missionaries forced this unique art form
into decline as tattooing has been discouraged or forbidden by
most christian churches throughout history.

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new zealand
the maori of new zealand had created one of the most impressive
cultures of all polynesia. their tattoo, called ‘moko’, reflected their
refined artistry - using their woodcarving skills to carve skin.
the full-face moko was a mark of distinction, which communicated
their status, lines of descent and tribal affiliations. it recalled their
wearer's exploits in war and other great events of their life.

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indonesia
borneo is one of the few places in the world where traditional
tribal tattooing is still practiced today just as it has been for
thousands of years. until recently many of the inland tribes had
little contact with the outside world.
as a result, they have preserved many aspects of their traditional
way of life, including tattooing.
borneo designs have gone all around the world to form the
basis of what the western people call ‘tribal’.

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india / thailand
hanuman in india was a popular symbol of strength on
arms and legs. the mythical monk is still today one of the
most popular creations in thailand and myanmar.
they are put on the human body by monks who incorporate
magical powers to the design while tattooing.
women are excluded because monks are not allowed to be
touched by them and because thais believe women do not
need the extra boost as they are already strong enough on
their own.

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africa
in africa, where people have dark skin, it is difficult to make
coloured tattoos as we know them.
but they want to be tattooed anyway, so they have developed
another technique - they make scarifications (this is not really
tattooing, but it is related to tattooing). made by lifting the skin a little,
and making a cut with a knife or some other sharp thing
special sands or ashes were rubbed in to make raised scars
in patterns on the body, it can be felt like braille lettering...
these patterns often follow local traditions.

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ancient greece and rome
the greeks learnt tattooing from the persians.
their woman were fascinated by the idea of tattoos as
exotic beauty marks.
the romans adopted tattooing from the greeks.
roman writers such as virgil, seneca, and galenus reported that
many slaves and criminals were tattooed.
a legal inscription from ephesus indicates that during the early
roman empire all slaves exported to asia were tattooed with the
words ‘tax paid’.
greeks and romans also used tattooing as a punishment.
early in the fourth century, when constantine became roman emperor
and rescinded the prohibition on christianity, he also banned tattooing
on face, which was common for convicts, soldiers, and gladiators.
constantine believed that the human face was a representation of the
image of god and should not be disfigured or defiled.

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the celts
were a tribal people who moved across western europe in times
around 1200 and 700 B.C. they reached the british Isles around
400 B.C. and most of what has survived from their culture is in
the areas now known as ireland, wales and scotland.
celtic culture was full of body art.
permanent body painting was done with woad, which left a blue
design on the skin. spirals are very common, and they can be single,
doubled or tripled. knotwork is probably the most recognized form
of celtic art, with lines forming complex braids which then weave
across themselves. these symbolise the connection of all life.
step or key patterns, like those found in early labyrinth designs,
are seen both in simple borders and full complex mazes.
much in the way that labyrinths are walked, these designs are
symbolic of the various paths that life’s journey can take.

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central and south america
in peru, tattooed inca mummies dating to the 11th century
have been found. 16th century spanish accounts of mayan tattooing
in mexico and central americareveal tattoos to be a sign of courage.
when cortez and his conquistadors arrived on the coast of mexico
in 1519 they were horrified to discover that the natives
not only worshipped devils in the form of statues and idols,
but had somehow managed to imprint indelible images of these
idols on their skin. the spaniards, who had never heard of tattooing,
recognized it at once as the work of satan.
the sixteenth century spanish historians who chronicled the
adventures of cortez and his conquistadors reported that tattooing
was widely practiced by the natives of central america.

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north america
early jesuit accounts testify to the widespread practice of
tattooing among native americans.
among the chickasaw, outstanding warriors were recognised
by their tattoos. among the ontario iroquoians, elaborate
tattoos reflected high status. in north-west america,
inuit women's chins were tattooed to indicate marital status
and group identity.
the first permanent tattoo shop in new york city was settled up
in 1846 and began a tradition by tattooing military servicemen
from both sides of the civil war. samuel o'reilly invented the electric
tattooing machine in 1891.

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middle-east
during the time of the old testament, much of the pagan world
was practicing the art of tattooing as a means of deity worship.
a passage in leviticus reads:
‘ye shall not make any cuttings on your flesh for the dead nor
print any marks upon you’. (19:28)
this has been cited as biblical authority to support the church's
position. biblical scholar m.w. thomson suggests, however, that
moses favored tattoos. moses introduced tattoos as a way to
commemorate the deliverance of the jews from slavery in egypt.

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vikings
it is very likely that the vikings were tattooed.
at around year 1100 the arab ibn fadlan described a
meeting with some vikings. he thought them very rude, dirty
- and covered with pictures.

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england
explorers returned home with tattooed polynesians
to exhibit at fairs, in lecture halls and in dime museums,
to demonstrate the height of european civilization compared
to the ‘primitive natives’.
after captain cook returned from his voyage to polynesia
tattooing became a tradition in the british navy.
by the middle of the 18th century most british ports had
at least one professional tattoo artist in residence.
in 1862, the prince of wales, later to become king edward VII,
received his first tattoo - a jerusalem cross - on his arm.
he started a tattoo fad among the aristocracy when he was
tattooed before ascending to the throne.
in 1882, his sons, the duke of clarence and the duke of york
were tattooed by the japanese master tattooist, hori chiyo.

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france
in the 18th century, many french sailors returning from voyages
in the south pacific had been tattooed.
in 1861, french naval surgeon, maurice berchon, published a study
on the medical complications of tattooing.
after this, the navy and army banned tattooing within their ranks.


stereotypical and sensationalised association of tattoo design
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sailor
sailors on their ships returned home with their own tattoos...
usually of a very basic style that only uses a minimum amount
of details making the tattoos look quite two dimensional and flat.
this often gives a cartoonish feeling and typical motifs would be flowers,
hearts, mermaids, ships, anchors, snakes, birds, and names.

criminality
for a long time, tattooing was the preserve of sailors and...
criminals!
in prison, the tattoo - professionally done and homemade-
indelibly imprint on their bodies what these men desire in their
souls: autonomy and identity.
the ultimate symbol for gang members are their gang tattoos,
getting a permanent mark is a sign of showing total commitment to
the gang. these tattoos can reveal lots of things, like,
who you are/what gang you're in/ what your beliefs are (racist etc..),
what you have done, where you have been, how many years
you have been in jail (also referred to as ‘dead time’) and even
things like how many you have killed.
known symbols include teardrops under the eye as well as spider
webs on the elbows to symbolize people killed.

circus
the popularity of tattooing during the latter part of the nineteenth
century and the first half of the twentieth century owed much to
the circus. when circuses prospered, tattooing prospered.
for over 70 years every major circus employed several completely
tattooed people. some were exhibited in sideshows;
others performed traditional circus acts such as juggling and
sword swallowing.


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tattoo flash
as with other artistic mediums and cultural developments,
vocabulary continually evolves, reflecting the depth and potential
of body marking and of the contemporary imagination.
in recent years tattooing has emerged to the forefront of popular
consciousness. today a tattoo ‘flash’, is a folder of tattoo-artwork by
tattoo artists. styles range from the traditional and vernacular to
the sacred and innovative.
 
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When the tattoo fad peters out, as it certainly will, they all do, how many people will regret their tattoos? How many regret them now but won't admit it?

Hmmm... not me, no regrets! And as to the "fad" aspect of Tattoo's, they've been around for centuries...my people (Cherokee) have been tattooing since before the white man cometh! Some fad.....

TJN said:
If the TRUTH could be known I'll wager serious money, A LOT. Most. You're always going to have the fringe, anti-social wack jobs. They'll always like their tattoos.
Yep...thats me....anti-social whack job!:rofl::rofl::rofl:

TJN said:
Altering your appearance so permanently and extensively is absurd.
Yea....kind of like drinking too much if your an alcoholic.

TJN said:
I think the thing that bothers me the most about tattoos is the "sheep" aspect of it. The "followers".
Nope...not following anyone...just doing my own thing. :)


TJN said:
I can't imagine any symbol, saying, design or image being something that I want to see every day for the rest of my life. Especially in the mirror
It's a personal choice...kind of like shaving or not!

TJN said:
I think any permanent tattoo is a gross lapse in judgment and one of the stupidest things I've ever seen people do to themselves.
Yea.....whatever....

TJN said:
If one of my kids came home with tattoos, piercing, gauged ears etc. I'd smack them till they couldn't stand up.
Hmmmm...so much for FREEDOM of choice....

Funny....two of mine (fore arms, all the way around) show everyday, and the "Blue Hairs" love them and often strike up conversations about their meaning to me. One of my best employees is covered from chin to toe, and with gauged ear lobes about the size of a quarter...he too has the respect of every customer and often as well is asked questions...

Prejudice's simply suck....
 
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Right - it sez Charlie Don't Surf right below it.



....now that was a good movie and a good comeback! I sought out that movie as an early surf classic for my video surf collection!

I meant for the charlie manson statement to be funny. Just digging ya!
You believe what you preach, just like manson, just in different ways. Manson is one weird dude.
 
Beth Said: A) I'm worried about your kids now,
Don't
Beth also Said:and B) I think that's assault. I hope you're just exaggerating.
I'm not.

Victoria said:
And by the way, tattooing is hardly a flash in the pan or a fad.
V
a brief history of tattoos:


And Boss Said:Hmmm... not me, no regrets! And as to the "fad" aspect of Tattoo's, they've been around for centuries...my people (Cherokee) have been tattooing since before the white man cometh! Some fad.....

Thanks for the history lesson. But lets face it, the vast majority of the nimrods that get tattooed couldn't tell you the name of the current Secretary Of State of the United States much less the history of tattooing.

Many, many many of them got their tattoos while they were drunk, high or because some other nimrod in their current favorite band that they think about non-stop has one like it.

You can delude yourselves all you want with this history BS. In mainstream America, its a fad. The future will prove me right. What will be left in this fads wake is a LOT of people wondering what they were thinking while they're sitting in a dermatologists waiting room, waiting to find out how much money and pain it will take to get rid of the tattoos.
 
I love the idea of body art, but don't want it on my body.

What kills me are the kids that can hardly pay the rent yet spend serious money on tattoos and piercings.

Literally every person I know that had a pierced tongue has removed the piercing. After the shock value wore off, the novelty was gone.

Years ago, my sister and I were walking in a shopping mall with her young daughter. A heavily pierced and tattoed guy walked by and my niece whispered, "Mommy, what are those"? Very sweetly, my sister answered, "Honey, those are called 'issues'." ;)
 
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Thanks for the history lesson. But lets face it, the vast majority of the nimrods that get tattooed couldn't tell you the name of the current Secretary Of State of the United States much less the history of tattooing.

TJ... I agree!

A little more info... any Tattoo Artist worth his or her salt, would never work on any person that's been drinking or is stoned...and in most cases, these "Kids" could not afford a quality "Tat" in the first place....nor be able to endure 10-12 hours of...Oooohhhh that feels good pain either...personally I like the process as much as the finished product, but I generally have my design drawn out for a minimum of a year before getting it "installed", and as for my back, I have had the design done for 5 years...just waiting to be sure...
 
I have no problem with one having an opinion ...

Don't
I'm not.






Thanks for the history lesson. But lets face it, the vast majority of the nimrods that get tattooed couldn't tell you the name of the current Secretary Of State of the United States much less the history of tattooing.

Many, many many of them got their tattoos while they were drunk, high or because some other nimrod in their current favorite band that they think about non-stop has one like it.

You can delude yourselves all you want with this history BS. In mainstream America, its a fad. The future will prove me right. What will be left in this fads wake is a LOT of people wondering what they were thinking while they're sitting in a dermatologists waiting room, waiting to find out how much money and pain it will take to get rid of the tattoos.

Just as long as you are willing to take the heat and don't take your ball and go home.
Shannon must be real busy since I haven't seen her go at you yet, she is relentless. Y'all will get along REAL good.

Please keep posting ... :argue:
 
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You can delude yourselves all you want with this history BS. In mainstream America, its a fad. The future will prove me right. What will be left in this fads wake is a LOT of people wondering what they were thinking while they're sitting in a dermatologists waiting room, waiting to find out how much money and pain it will take to get rid of the tattoos.

I know what you're saying, but I may have to call you on your bet. I really do think this "fad" will stick around for a long while. I remember when people thought rap music was just a passing fad.

But like you said, only time will prove either way.
 
Wow, you guys really tee'd yourselves up for this one. You think you loathe me now? Wait till you hear my take on tattoos
Nah, I like to read your posts and try to make sense of the straightforward but somewhat nasty attitude in your posts.

When I had our first road sign installed as a new business owner, I asked my dad how it looked. "It looks like CRAP" was what he told me. My feelings were hurt, and he didn't really expand on what he meant. Within a year, we were making plans to change the sign because it was "pretty" but not practical on a 40mph road. Showed him the new sign and he said "see I told you the first one was crap." I never forget to look past his crusty words, now.
 
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I suppose opinions are like A holes...Everybody has got one. I just wish some would keep to themselves...
 
Just as long as you are willing to take the heat and don't take your ball and go home.Shannon must be real busy since I haven't seen her go at you yet, she is relentless. Y'all will get along REAL good.

Theres virtually nothing some Posie Popper could say that would bother me, although this ominous sentence in Carrie's post:
However have to say TJN I'm beginning to wonder if you are on a death wish or something.
put a little chill in my doo-doo.;)

I know that actually I'm really well liked here as evidenced by some of my "Reputation Comments":

Seek Therapy. Terri

i wonder how much pain and money it will cost to get rid of you! Why don't you just go away if you think we are all so stupid?

you are a complete jerk

Stop beating your kids you monster (this made me laugh out loud, thanks it felt good)

quite rude

TJN- you seem to suck

Quit whining - Iggy

The only thing that bothers me is I usually don't have time to engage in these "lively debates" as fun as they may be, during the day. At night I'm usually watching the National Geographic Channel or LA Ink trying to further my understanding of tattoos and pseudonyms.
 
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