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Joe Mioux
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prestonway
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roysecityfloristand gifts
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Wow, this went to the WS Thread place in a hurry.
I have been on thread from the beginning, (didn't just jump in like some have been known to do). TJN is fairly new to the forum, and perhaps did not know it would turn into a knife fight.
I'm glad he posted the Rep Statements for all of us to see, because it brings up a thought I've had before.
It seems as if we adult professionals, who profess to be of some breeding, have resorted to using Rep Points (Statements) as a way to say the most childish hurtful things that our minds can conceive, without doing it in public forum and often with no signatures. I personally am ashamed of the comments to TJN.
But wait, isn't that where much of this started with TJN...you know when he mentioned how nice it would be to have names and know who we are talking to. I put my shop name out there, so anyone who has read my post (all of them) know that my shop has a person of some integrity at the helm.
By the way, I have no tats, one son does, one does not. I have had a female customer totally covered in them and I loved her just the way she was.
I PM'd TJN myself to say my Xhusband with my name across his arm would agree with TJN's comments. And how many times has the X wished my name would suddenly turn into a snake or flowers or dolphin or butterfly...
My wish for today is that everyone was just a little more tolerant of others opinions and not take words so personally.
Everyone have a better tomorrow.
I have been on thread from the beginning, (didn't just jump in like some have been known to do). TJN is fairly new to the forum, and perhaps did not know it would turn into a knife fight.
I'm glad he posted the Rep Statements for all of us to see, because it brings up a thought I've had before.
It seems as if we adult professionals, who profess to be of some breeding, have resorted to using Rep Points (Statements) as a way to say the most childish hurtful things that our minds can conceive, without doing it in public forum and often with no signatures. I personally am ashamed of the comments to TJN.
But wait, isn't that where much of this started with TJN...you know when he mentioned how nice it would be to have names and know who we are talking to. I put my shop name out there, so anyone who has read my post (all of them) know that my shop has a person of some integrity at the helm.
By the way, I have no tats, one son does, one does not. I have had a female customer totally covered in them and I loved her just the way she was.
I PM'd TJN myself to say my Xhusband with my name across his arm would agree with TJN's comments. And how many times has the X wished my name would suddenly turn into a snake or flowers or dolphin or butterfly...
My wish for today is that everyone was just a little more tolerant of others opinions and not take words so personally.
Everyone have a better tomorrow.
minority viewpoint
OK - I am definitely in the minority, but I don't like them. The words "cheap and superficial" come to mind. I can see the intrigue of something kept mostly hidden, something symbolic or for your own enjoyment.
Now, my viewpoint is ultra-conservative, but it is also the viewpoint of my shop. I hired a designer 2 years ago who had a small star behind her ear. I didn't even know it until she had worked for me a month because she kept her hair down. I later found out she had several on ankles and legs but with our dress code that was never obvious. I personally didn't care for the tattoo, but I thought it was personal expression for a very creative personality. After working for me for 3 months, she married a tattoo artist and became his personal canvas. So I tried to understand and accept, but I never did like it. The husband was in the shop a lot, and he spent a lot of time complaining that people didn't take him seriously. Well, he had just gotten out of prison and looked like a box of crayolas threw up on him! One day he was complaining that while shopping in the grocery store the little old ladies would turn back down the aisle to avoid him. Well, those little old ladies are my customers, too, and the day he said that was the reaction he was getting in town, that was the day that my dress code got revamped to say NO VISIBLE TATTOOS.
My husband is a counselor and started at work talking about this subject. Seems out of 20 employees in his division there are only just him and one other with no tattoos. But we still don't like it. We also will not let our 4 year old daughter play with the temporary tattoos.
If anyone is a fan of musicals, Best Little Who..House movie with Dolly Parton has a song about the "house rules". "Please don't show us no tattoos, no hearts and flowers on your thighs. Brands belong on cattle, and that ain't what we're selling at Miss Mona's."
Donna
OK - I am definitely in the minority, but I don't like them. The words "cheap and superficial" come to mind. I can see the intrigue of something kept mostly hidden, something symbolic or for your own enjoyment.
Now, my viewpoint is ultra-conservative, but it is also the viewpoint of my shop. I hired a designer 2 years ago who had a small star behind her ear. I didn't even know it until she had worked for me a month because she kept her hair down. I later found out she had several on ankles and legs but with our dress code that was never obvious. I personally didn't care for the tattoo, but I thought it was personal expression for a very creative personality. After working for me for 3 months, she married a tattoo artist and became his personal canvas. So I tried to understand and accept, but I never did like it. The husband was in the shop a lot, and he spent a lot of time complaining that people didn't take him seriously. Well, he had just gotten out of prison and looked like a box of crayolas threw up on him! One day he was complaining that while shopping in the grocery store the little old ladies would turn back down the aisle to avoid him. Well, those little old ladies are my customers, too, and the day he said that was the reaction he was getting in town, that was the day that my dress code got revamped to say NO VISIBLE TATTOOS.
My husband is a counselor and started at work talking about this subject. Seems out of 20 employees in his division there are only just him and one other with no tattoos. But we still don't like it. We also will not let our 4 year old daughter play with the temporary tattoos.
If anyone is a fan of musicals, Best Little Who..House movie with Dolly Parton has a song about the "house rules". "Please don't show us no tattoos, no hearts and flowers on your thighs. Brands belong on cattle, and that ain't what we're selling at Miss Mona's."
Donna
Seeing and reading this thread about tatoos brings something to top of mind. SOmething that you all who are managers and owners need to think about.
In a nutshell....a peice of legislation called the Fair Labor Standards act covers things like tatoos, peircings, body modifications like scarification, etc. - Basically.....It says that you have to maintain equal standards for employees.
For example.......You have an employee.....lets say a driver......and your policy says that drivers can't have visible tattoos.....and you run across a fantastic driver delivering pizza.....never been in a wreck, gets things out fast, spotless record, just everything perfect.....however, He has a big tattoo on his forehead, a chain running from nose to lip, and a pierced chin. You go ahead and hire this person.
You have now "changed your standards" and can no longer prevent the other driver from modifying his body.
You cannot hold one employee to a different standard than you hold another one of equal rank and position.
In a nutshell....a peice of legislation called the Fair Labor Standards act covers things like tatoos, peircings, body modifications like scarification, etc. - Basically.....It says that you have to maintain equal standards for employees.
For example.......You have an employee.....lets say a driver......and your policy says that drivers can't have visible tattoos.....and you run across a fantastic driver delivering pizza.....never been in a wreck, gets things out fast, spotless record, just everything perfect.....however, He has a big tattoo on his forehead, a chain running from nose to lip, and a pierced chin. You go ahead and hire this person.
You have now "changed your standards" and can no longer prevent the other driver from modifying his body.
You cannot hold one employee to a different standard than you hold another one of equal rank and position.
Toddxxx
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Brad ... what happened to the cheeky dinasoar (sp) .. although from over here it looked like a duck - and no I don't dislike ducks - I actually collect the things (not real mind you) night night Carrie
Joe Mioux
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you know, this has been a really fun thread, especially on a day where I didn't get 100 OG incoming wire orders to fill.
I only got one from 800 via dove and only one green dot, today. But that's not important right now.
line lifted from Airplane
I don't have any tatoos and don't want any.
If you want to permanently mark yourself, do it the right way. Brandit burn it into to meat.
I have one burn on my right forearm. It didn't even hurt. Of course, I was blottoed when it happened and then I dug out the dead skin/meat with my dirty finger nails. Silvadeen to the rescue.
Anyway, why am I saying all this? Hell I don't know. other than it has been a really weird day today.
joe
p.s. life isn't always fair, especially for old florists in nursing homes.
I only got one from 800 via dove and only one green dot, today. But that's not important right now.
line lifted from AirplaneI don't have any tatoos and don't want any.
If you want to permanently mark yourself, do it the right way. Brandit burn it into to meat.
I have one burn on my right forearm. It didn't even hurt. Of course, I was blottoed when it happened and then I dug out the dead skin/meat with my dirty finger nails. Silvadeen to the rescue.
Anyway, why am I saying all this? Hell I don't know. other than it has been a really weird day today.
joe
p.s. life isn't always fair, especially for old florists in nursing homes.
well, alrighty then!you know, this has been a really fun thread, especially on a day where I didn't get 100 OG incoming wire orders to fill.
I only got one from 800 via dove and only one green dot, today. But that's not important right now.
I don't have any tatoos and don't want any.
If you want to permanently mark yourself, do it the right way. Brandit burn it into to meat.
I have one burn on my right forearm. It didn't even hurt. Of course, I was blottoed when it happened and then I dug out the dead skin/meat with my dirty finger nails. Silvadeen to the rescue.
Anyway, why am I saying all this? Hell I don't know. other than it has been a really weird day today.
joe
p.s. life isn't always fair, especially for old florists in nursing homes.
Toddxxx
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I know Boss, I shouldn't feed the trolls. If that's what you mean, bit ambiguous when you just post an insult without an explanation. It's just when it was bosting about beating it's kids, I thought something should be said.
I have 2 tattoos, peirced tongue, peirced nose, all of which I have had for over a decade - the peircings for me are a blending of flesh and steel esthetic (sp) - kinda like HR Giger or William Gibson.
Oh, and the Secretary of State is Condoleeza Rice - a foreigner and tattoed and I still know this. Guess I must be a rare exeption?
Babylon Floral Design
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Nope, not a rare excepetion... my daugher falls into the category of having a clue too.
But then she is wll travelled.V
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